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Should the games industry be worried about the rise of gambl

Postby fracturedrich » 28 Jan 2013, 20:21

So what you saying we will be able to bet on who gets the most headshots in a round, or who gets the highest k/d ratio,if you see my name on that betting slip ,lay it lads.
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Postby FishyGinger » 29 Jan 2013, 09:46

I blame Ray Winstone and the Foxy Bingo Fox.
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Postby OXM ETboy » 29 Jan 2013, 10:22

That's your answer to everything, Fishy.
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Postby FishyGinger » 29 Jan 2013, 10:32

Are you saying that 6ft tall fox isn't to blame?
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Postby OXM ETboy » 29 Jan 2013, 10:38

The fox is just a puppet. Those leprechauns you see in browsers are the brains of the operation.
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Postby thewrongtrousers » 29 Jan 2013, 10:53

fracturedrich wrote:So what you saying we will be able to bet on who gets the most headshots in a round, or who gets the highest k/d ratio,if you see my name on that betting slip ,lay it lads.


Not exactly sure that's what the article is saying, something along the lines, that gambling is bad sometimes, and gaming and gambling could go together, but shouldn't always go together and that putting gambling and gaming together could possibly be bad, but then might not actually be.

Not sure your example would work with real money it is far to open to abuse. You get spot fixing in professional sports you do something similar where there is no professional regulatory body and you'd have chaos. Also far to difficult to implement in most senarios. Yes you could have one player vs another in FIFA but EA would have to introduce odds based on previous games played and / or just compete with similar level players as otherwise who would want to compete with the world's best you would just be throwing money away.

Having said that you almost start another side industry. Forza races for example with prize money from entry fees, could lead to real money being exchanged (already does unofficially of course) for vehicle settings and paintwork.

I'm all for Major League Gaming, would never have the time myself but its a logical step in the progression of the industry. I have always wondered why some big company e.g. Red Bull doesn't sponser a Forza online tournament or similar with prize money, or even fund a DLC track where every race winner recieves $1 or something for a set period of time.
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Postby OXM ETboy » 29 Jan 2013, 11:11

I guess the article is more just an invitation to consider the subject at large. As you say, it's not terribly decisive :p But then, this is an emerging thing - I'm honestly not sure how it will pan out.
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Postby Grummy » 29 Jan 2013, 12:21

It's a worthy article discussing the dangers of gambling in general and of online/computerized gambling, but it doesn't really say anything that gives me pause to think the games industry has any need to be worried about it. An industry that lives and dies on the success of CoD, Fifa and Madden NFL, with Bethesda R*, Ubi and 2K games as important supporting titles (purely in terms of year on year profit), gambling, even if MS and Sony allowed gambling games for real money on their systems en masse, would be nothing but a peripheral entertainment. MS can claim to do a lot of things with the 360, it can talk about creating the ultimate media hub, but nobody is buying a 360 to play Full Tilt Poker. As with gambling in general, the only people who should be worried is that portion of the gaming community who are likely to gambling addicts as it is. For the industry though, it's people aren't going to stop buying consoles and playing CoD/Fifa just because they can play gambling games.
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Postby Mendes » 29 Jan 2013, 13:35

OXM ETboy wrote:I guess the article is more just an invitation to consider the subject at large. As you say, it's not terribly decisive :p But then, this is an emerging thing - I'm honestly not sure how it will pan out.


At the very least I'd hope that the likes of the Daily Mail, with their non-sensationalist objective reporting techniques will wade in with an "Evil Video Games aim to turn nation in to Gambling Addicts : Apocalypse to Follow" headline, (note my accurate use of upper / lower case), considering all FPS's are to blame for any gun massacre that happens I'd expect this at the very least. :roll:
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Postby thewrongtrousers » 29 Jan 2013, 13:56

OXM the monenboy wrote:I guess the article is more just an invitation to consider the subject at large. As you say, it's not terribly decisive :p But then, this is an emerging thing - I'm honestly not sure how it will pan out.


Sorry I was just being flippant, it is interesting to see how it will pan out. While I enjoy playing poker I just wouldn't play a pseudo version with no money involved. At the moment there does seem to be a distinct lack of psuedo versions of any form of gambling in video games. A few games, normally open world or sandbox, have some form of gambling either on cards, casinos or driving. However where is the betting on horses, dogs, football and other sports - next GTA maybe? Does anyone know if there are any gambling simulators around on Indie games?
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Postby Baryonyx » 29 Jan 2013, 14:27

It is definitely a matter we should give thought to. What disturbs me is how pervasive gambling has become. The industry has taken to the digital/wireless age like a duck to water. Previously, you had to seek gambling out. Now it will come to you.


I don't gamble. I'm sure I could without getting addicted, but I can think of better ways to spend my cash. Buying computer games, for instance. I asked my friends and colleagues who gamble if they had actually profited from their exploits. None of them had, despite making a few big wins here and there, they are habitual gamblers who fritter money away on their hobby. Gambling doesn't become a £2 billion a year industry by making the man on the street rich. Unfortunately, through work I have seen the dark side of gambling, when it's not just throwing away £10 on a horse for a quick thrill. I've seen people ending up on the street after losing their homes, people committing crime to feed their habit, selling their families lives out from under them to get their fix. I've seen it lead to suicide.

Whilst I doubt a quick flutter here or there will do much harm, and I doubt my friends and colleagues will end up living in a homeless hostel with a drink problem and the happy years cast irretrievably into the past, there are many vulnerable people out there who I am distinctly uncomfortable with gambling at large reaching out to. Society doesn't understand the true nature of gambling yet, but we are getting there. Much in the same way as smoking was seen as harmless, gambling is still largely viewed as a bit of fun. Behind it all are some greedy shareholders getting very, very rich.




NB: BBC's Panorama did a good documentary on gambling a little while ago, with a good section on how interactive gaming machines are changing the way people gamble. Interesting and mildly disturbing viewing.
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Postby STE MO » 29 Jan 2013, 15:25

In the words of an American "Videogames bad! Guns, gambling and prostitution good" with these ethics we are onto a winner. :wink:
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Postby GHOSTY05 » 29 Jan 2013, 16:00

I bet you lot £10 this never happens! :D :mrgreen:
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Postby thewrongtrousers » 29 Jan 2013, 18:34

GHOSTY05 wrote:I bet you lot £10 this never happens! :D :mrgreen:


I'll take some of that bet :D

Hang on what exactly am I betting never happens? :?
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