annonashera wrote:With regards to Elizabeth and drowning booker you are missing some vital information. Elizabeth is special, as the audio log explains, because being in two universes from her pinky.
annonashera wrote:You can think of parallel universes as branches or parallel lines.
annonashera wrote:Elizabeth takes booker to that splitting/descision point and explains when he says they'd been here before she says no this is new. We are them in the Comstock set of universes and by drowning booker that would turn into Comstock she stops Comstock from ever existing as she explains. All the Elizabeth's then dissapear as Elizabeth as we know her is gone. However it leaves it open to interpretation about the last Elizabeth and if she do dissapears.
annonashera wrote:With regards to the ghost it is Elizabeth bringing in another dimension, which they explain and the twins explain. It is a gameplay boss, callback to BioShock, and it is a creation of both Elizabeth's perception and the truth (which the twins explain how hugely important perspective plays in. Ex. The observer effect in quantum mechanics.) Hence why when Elizabeth's perspectives and understanding changes so does the ghost.
annonashera wrote:They don't originally plan on that but they are going where it makes sense to go. It serves to further set up later ideas, like the nosebleeds and confusion. They aren't like "let's go search in a bunch of universes for guns". From their perspective they notice the tears are different and take logical guesses to think this universe will get them where they need.
annonashera wrote:You are missing a great deal of information, and are also vastly underestimating Elizabeth's unlocked power.
annonashera wrote:It is also worth noting booker is a somewhat unreliable narrarator as his memories changed and he is confused. Remember Chen Li and seeing his gun machines that weren't there. So that kinda makes us ask other detailed questions about certain things.
Sorry for typos and double post typing on a tablet and it won't let me edit post more.
Michael Kyle wrote:If you want a proper explanation that answers all these questions then I suggest you read this: http://michaelthekyle.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... nding.html
I was rather hugely disappointed by how they chose to finish off the character I'd invested the better part of twelve hours of my life into. Give me Kirk's "I don't believe in a no win scenario" approach to life over this pathetic resolution any day.
On the one hand Elizabeth has mind blowing, universe altering powers. But the best she and her "savior/father/boyfriend" can accomplish is to erase themselves? Please. Go back to the drawing board and find a world view that's worth living by.
OXM Log wrote:Fair comment. It is complaining. But I don't buy that we're to blame for mis-, under-, mal-appreciating the Bioshock Infinite that we loved, because we haven't read subreddits. I don't mind bonus stuff being hidden in Voxophones (I was playing fairly slowly, and still missed half of them). But stuff that's essential to understanding a massive reveal, and an audacious plot, should not be left on a bench in an off-piste garden.
OXM Log wrote:This just takes me back to the initial feeling, that it was supposed to be a story about two dimensions, not Infinite. I wonder if that really was one of the original plans for the story?
OXM Log wrote: This is interesting: I hadn't thought of sets of universes. A Comstock set, a Booker set, based on the baptism, and actions Elizabeth takes can be limited to discrete sets based on her location in the timeline? Is that what you're saying? I like that thought. I don't get it, but I like it. I'm going to think it a bit.
OXM Log wrote:The observer effect in quantum mechanics is nothing to do with human perception. If I understand it correctly, it is to do with the collision of a photon - the very thing that renders a phenomenon observable, affecting the outcome of experiments on the quantum scale. Sci-fi that makes human emotion the most important thing in the world is a real bugbear for me. To make an analogy leap, it's the same odd notion that makes people deny evolution, because dogs can't write poetry. It's Steven Moffat saying the love of a father can kill the Cybermen - something that implicitly suggests that all the other fathers who died just didn't love their kids as much as James Corden.
OXM Log wrote:You're being extremely forgiving, here. The fact it wasn't part of the original plan made this even more suspicious. The act of stepping into another universe is as extreme as BioShock nameless-man finding a massive syringe and injecting himself with electricity. While I agree it's necessary to introduce the plot elements, I can't buy the ease with which they decide to step through, without even considering the consequences. Had there been extreme peril that forced them through, I'd have been on team. But to move some guns?
OXM Log wrote:And who's fault is that? *Squints erotically at the towering genius of Levine*
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