Fair comment. It is complaining. But I don't buy that we're to blame for mis-, under-, mal-appreciating the Bioshock Infinite that we loved, because we haven't read subreddits
. I don't mind bonus stuff being hidden in Voxophones (I was playing fairly slowly, and still missed half of them). But stuff that's essential to understanding a massive reveal, and an audacious plot, should not be left on a bench in an off-piste garden.
annonashera wrote:With regards to Elizabeth and drowning booker you are missing some vital information. Elizabeth is special, as the audio log explains, because being in two universes from her pinky.
This just takes me back to the initial feeling, that it was supposed to be a story about two dimensions, not Infinite. I wonder if that really was one of the original plans for the story?
annonashera wrote:You can think of parallel universes as branches or parallel lines.
The baptism was a branching moment. The many-universes interpretation of quantum theory on which this seems to be based talks of branching universes, not parallel. I don't get how parallel universes exist in this fiction.
annonashera wrote:Elizabeth takes booker to that splitting/descision point and explains when he says they'd been here before she says no this is new. We are them in the Comstock set of universes and by drowning booker that would turn into Comstock she stops Comstock from ever existing as she explains. All the Elizabeth's then dissapear as Elizabeth as we know her is gone. However it leaves it open to interpretation about the last Elizabeth and if she do dissapears.
This is interesting: I hadn't thought of sets of universes. A Comstock set, a Booker set, based on the baptism, and actions Elizabeth takes can be limited to discrete sets based on her location in the timeline? Is that what you're saying? I like that thought. I don't get it, but I like it. I'm going to think it a bit.
annonashera wrote:With regards to the ghost it is Elizabeth bringing in another dimension, which they explain and the twins explain. It is a gameplay boss, callback to BioShock, and it is a creation of both Elizabeth's perception and the truth (which the twins explain how hugely important perspective plays in. Ex. The observer effect in quantum mechanics.) Hence why when Elizabeth's perspectives and understanding changes so does the ghost.
The observer effect in quantum mechanics is nothing to do with human perception. If I understand it correctly, it is to do with the collision of a photon - the very thing that renders a phenomenon observable, affecting the outcome of experiments on the quantum scale. Sci-fi that makes human emotion the most important thing in the world is a real bugbear for me. To make an analogy leap, it's the same odd notion that makes people deny evolution, because dogs can't write poetry. It's Steven Moffat saying the love of a father can kill the Cybermen - something that implicitly suggests that all the other fathers who died just didn't love their kids as much as James Corden.
I guess that aversion might a blind spot for me. I will read up more on the ghost in these subreddits, but I suspect it will all read as foggily to me as your explanation, above. Like I said: my blind spot, my problem.
annonashera wrote:They don't originally plan on that but they are going where it makes sense to go. It serves to further set up later ideas, like the nosebleeds and confusion. They aren't like "let's go search in a bunch of universes for guns". From their perspective they notice the tears are different and take logical guesses to think this universe will get them where they need.
You're being extremely forgiving, here. The fact it wasn't part of the original plan made this even more suspicious
. The act of stepping into another universe is as extreme as BioShock nameless-man finding a massive syringe and injecting himself with electricity. While I agree it's necessary to introduce the plot elements, I can't buy the ease with which they decide to step through, without even considering the consequences. Had there been extreme peril that forced them through, I'd have been on team. But to move some guns?
annonashera wrote:You are missing a great deal of information, and are also vastly underestimating Elizabeth's unlocked power.
And who's fault is that? *Squints erotically at the towering genius of Levine*